PAKDA a Russian Stealth bomber
Created by Larkins Dsouza on July 6th, 2008 20 Comments »
The PAK DA (or PAK-DA), is a next generation strategic bomber which is being developed by Russia. It stands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Dalney Aviatsyi which means Future Air Complex for Strategic Air Forces. The PAK DA is going to be heavily based on Russia’s current supersonic bomber Tupolev Tu-160 and is expected to have it’s maiden flight by 2015.
Russian Air Force has made tactical and technical requirements for a new generation of strategic bombers, as reported Interfax.
According to Russian Air Force commander Aleksandr Zelin, work on a new bomber has already begun. “The requirements are formulated, and many firms are now implementing plans” – said Zelin.
According to available information, the aircraft being developed under the project PAK DA (prospective aviation complex long-distance aircraft), will be computed on the basis of construction of a supersonic Tu-160 bomber. According to specialists, to create a new aircraft will take from 5 to 8 years, and the first flight of bombers to be expected after 2015.
Currently, the Russian airforce has Tu-95 and Tu-160 strategic bombers, as well as long range Tu-22 bombers. They can carry bombs and cruise missiles. The aircraft of these types are currently undergoing modernization.
Reports also say that the new bomber will have stealth characteristics.
Source: Lenta.ru
Tell me that picture is not the proposed “Russian” Plane…
Are these guys Babsolutely shameless?
That’s a B1b bomber. Incidentally, the B1b also had so-called ‘stealth characteristics’, although not invisible to radar, most do not know that the B1b was a big step towards stealth as it’s shape gave it a tiny radar cross-section, at very least it would make enemies think it was a MUCH SMALLER object.
Similarly the PAK-FA and J-XX are F22 wannabees and the H-8, if it ever exists is the B2 Stealth Bomber…
Listen, I’m not minimizing the threat. At the end of the day war isn’t supposed to be “fair” and those caught in the cross-hairs of a clone are no more SAFE because it is a copy. Still, it says alot about Russian, Pakistan China – superpowers with economic intellectual ability – that they have resorted to these shameless copies.
MOST IMPORTANTLY I would question the intelligence of such endeavours. They are essentially copying OLD AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY! Even if they ever get these planes flying (as of now, all those planes mentioned are a pipe-dream, they exist on paper only!), by that time the States will have moved on to bigger better things. The B2 isn’t exactly new technology, the B1b is approaching what we’d call ‘old’…
That is a picture of Tu-160 which PAKDA is proposed to be based on.
That’s wrong.
This is Tu-160: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tu-160.jpg
(which is not a copy of any American bomber, just compare the specifications of Tu-160 and B1b: Tu-160 scores factor x1.5 better in most of them: Payload, range, speed, …). Not so shameless there
To the drawn picture: It’s some speculative unofficial artist impression. Ignore it!
To the topic “Oh my God, they copy everything!”:
1) Don’t mix up Russia with China.
2) When Russians copies aircrafts, they make the copy better than the original.
One example is the Concorde: The Soviet “copy” (Tu-144) was bigger, faster, and flew BEFORE the “original” Concorde
American should remember, who was the conceptor of stealth technology?
Where he came from?
His name was Petr Yakovlevich Ufimtsev (born 1931) is a Russian physicist and mathematician……..
Tu-160 received a stealth upgrade already, called Tu-160PP
The leading edges of the wings, engine intakes and the nose have been fitted with re-entrant triangles based on the downed F117 in Serbia. The back parts are not modified
In the future, the stealth skin on the leading surfaces will be replaced with plasma emitters which will lower the frontal detection to nil. Although it will still be visible from the back, that should not matter because by the time you see its back end that means it has dropped its payload and is speeding home.
It travels at Mach 2 so it can pretty much escape missiles fired at it if you factor in the SAM operators response time
Copying Western designs is a GREAT benefit for the Russians for several reasons:
1)saves a ton on development costs, this is one reason that the Russians can build an aircraft cheaper than the West in all aspects. 2)they see what fails so no reason to throw money into failed Western projects. Most Russian copies are from successful Western designs, not canceled projects.
3) Becomes a great advantage in combat. The West is forced to visually identifiy targets before firing upon them.
4) Simplification.
The Russians are able to reverse engineer Western technology and rebuild it cheaper and simpler.
Also, as a side note, the Russians have built a lot of technology demonstrators with in the last 2 decades. What would be deemed to costly to the West, the Russians are willing to take the chance and develop something new.
Russia is more than capable of building a stealth bomber. Remember the B-2 was designed in the ’80′s. the F-117 started in the late ’70′s and the “CUTTING EDGE” F-22 started in 1986. The JSF project started in 1996. So, if you believe that the Russians are 20 years behind in technology, they have the capability to manufacture the F-117 (30 years old), the B-2 (25 years old), the F-22 (20 years old). The only aircraft that they would lag behind would be the F-35 JSF (15 years old).
Des… what the hell makes you think the PAKDA is in any way a copy?
Yes the Russian Federation has the blueprints for and can build pretty much any airplane fielded by any air force in the world, but in order to build even the B2 it would need first to build many manufacturing facilities for each and every PART of the B2 because the current Russian facilities do not build interchangeable parts
It costs hundreds of billions less to design and build your own fighter than copy someone elses, because if you develop it then you can say "oh wait, we have a plant called XXXXX that manufactures these engines, instead of making entirely new plants to manufacture new engines from USA, lets simply buy these superior engines from XXXXX"
The PAKDA is a direct descendant of the Tu-160 with supercruise ability (developed by Russia from scratch), low RCS (developed by Russia from scratch) and modern avionics (developed by Russia from scratch)
I triple dog dare you to find one nut or bolt copied from any USA plane
Copying is quite a harsh word, for something that all the militaries and companies in the world have done. First, if an competing airplane or tank or why not a cellphone or car, has some new or superior abilities, you either have to also have those abilities, or then develop something even more revolutionary. For example, when Wehrmacht found out that T-34's sloped armour is effective, they put the sloped armour into Panther tank. After that, the Soviets had to equip their tanks with bigger guns etc. etc. The tank developement in WW2 is a good example. The guns went from 20-75mm to 75-122mm during the war. Aromur thickened, design principals changed, sides learned from each other. Or when USAF encountered swept-winged MiG-17s in Korean War, they priorized the introduction of the swept-wing F-86 Sabre. If a design proves successful, why invent the wheel again? Copying is something else. If an future Russian plane PAK FA will have some similar capabilities that F-22 or F-35, that's competing. It's ignorant to say that "Plane X" is a shameless copy of "Plane Z", because that's what developers and manufacturers do. They pick the best abilities from other, proven-to-be-good designs, and maybe enhance them a bit, and perhaps add a new innovative feature. That's the way it works. It would be blind stupidity to study an, for example, enemy tank, and notice that the gun is more powerful than ours, armor is sloped and has ERA etc…. "But we can't use those features! That's copying!". Or if Ford sees that the new Chrysler model XX has a top speed of X, they develop a Ford model ZZ which has a top speed Z>X.
Well, maybe here is the answer to the next generation bomber, a modified stealthy B-1 with a fixed wing design and super cruise capability at 500 mill/plane. Build 70 of them, retire the B-52, but keep the old 67 B-1Bs around. Change its strategic mission to maritime and coastal strike when performing conventional missions and retire 2 aircraft carrier groups, but keep up the production of nuclear attack subs. We need to bring bang for the buck back to the defense budget.
The thing about that plane is Ive seen it in person and its not a fixed wing so it nothing similar to the B-1 variable and movable wings enhighten the supersonic speeds and the modern tech in rusian engine manufacturing is absolutely amazing so in fact that its speed increases its stealth ability along with its shape todays radars and cross signatures can pick up a piece of paper if its flying slow enough which is where the speed plays in efect todays stealth doesnt only focus on reshaping or redistributing radar signature its working on slicing it in the process which makes stealth a whole new meaning and extreme deadly varible
Another advantage to that desighn is the fact that there are 10 times as many fighter pilots in the air today and todays bombers need the combat ability to out perform where as when the B-52 ect. was first put in service and yes the fact that the new price ranges are between 500 million and a billion a plane they have to have joint manuverability and purpos for justification
I know from experiance
Don't worry dear Western comrades all forces will be equal after the US bankrupts itself form the `Terror Wars,' now NASA after 2010 and the US/NATO, CENTCOM structures after 2015 and by the way … TU160 is vastly superior to the B1B, just ask Frank Carlucci or any other American whoever got a personal visit (I have been inside both). And they are not copies!
"2) When Russians copies aircrafts, they make the copy better than the original.
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One example is the Concorde: The Soviet "copy" (Tu-144) was bigger, faster, and flew BEFORE the "original" Concorde
Yeah, and it crashed before Concorde, too.
stop this propaganda…B2 or F-117 is not some great machines…they have been shot down in combat, to Serbian/Yugoslav forces….How are planes supposed to look….there cant be some hugely drastic change in plane design…not yet….Stealth planes incorporate stealth features[ way they look look] and they may differ in shapes cause of improvements in design….not to make it look different than an American one….do you want it to look like a flying saucer to say its different than that of American planes…be realistic.. its confirmed….no one is made to put a plane of some other to represent a particular plane not on a forum this big….go Google it…if u cant find have a nice day….cause u don't know its a copy either/….go compare a pic of the pane you claim it to be to this one on the site to be satisfied………Jai Hind
they the US make planes using foreign brains working for the USA to get better pay….so they cant say its totally American plane…
First, the first picture is the Tu-160 and not the new Stealth Bomber. This should be obvious as to the grainy photograph given. Secondly, it's not surprising that much Russian technology is copied/similar as first "great minds think alike" in that good designs will be similar and secondly the Russians have been stealing our designs (sometimes quite blatantly as with the withholding of a B-29) since BEFORE the end of WWII
Actually not many Russian copies were better. The specs maybe but generally the technology sides and performance wasn't (for example the B-29 copy which wasn't as good)
Wrong on the SAM missiles. Stingers and the Russian 9K38 Igla missiles go 2.2 and 2.3 respectively. The Patriot missile system goes Mach 5 and the Russian S-300 goes Mach 4. The SR-72 Blackbird goes Mach 3+ and it is capable of being shot down by SAM's. Mach 2 might have been good decades ago but not anymore.
That's not the point. It's not EXACTLY the same it's reverse engineered THAT's the point.
All you guy's are crazy. I worked on the B-2 bomber when it was in development stages. It might be able to be copied in appearance, but the Russians will never be able to keep up with the weapons systems and the stealth characteristics and materials of the B-2, it simply is the best heavy bomber ever made and will be for a long time.